Divine Enigma
At Divine Enigma, we're here to explore the wonders of neurodiversity amid busy corporate life and career dreams. Our platform is like a cosy sanctuary where everyone - whether you're a professional or an entrepreneur - can join in uplifting conversations. From simple tips for managing projects to self-care practices that work, we're all about helping you grow in your career journey. Picture us as your friendly guide through the twists and turns of corporate life, offering a holistic approach perfect for neurodiverse folks to not only get by but to truly shine in their careers.
Divine Enigma
Faith, Growth, and the Power of Neurodiverse Minds
What if the unique challenges you face at work could actually be your superpowers? Join us for an eye-opening conversation with Monique, a therapist who recently discovered her own dyslexia. Through her experiences, we unravel the often misunderstood world of neurodivergence in the workplace, exploring the burnout from masking conditions like ADHD and dyslexia, and reframing these traits as sources of strength. Discover how neurodivergent individuals, with their exceptional abilities such as hyper-focus and creative problem-solving, can transform personal and professional landscapes when met with understanding and support.
Our journey then shifts towards a spiritual awakening that intertwines faith and neurodiversity. Inspired by stories of biblical giants like Joseph and Moses, we question the notion that success and spirituality cannot coexist. Imagine Moses, possibly neurodivergent, turning perceived weaknesses into monumental strengths aligned with a divine purpose. This perspective not only fosters personal growth but also propels us to start businesses aimed at educating others about neurodiversity, celebrating our differences as platforms for showcasing God's magnificence.
Breaking chains of generational cycles and curses? It's possible with faith and understanding. By examining biblical narratives and societal perceptions, we challenge the idea that neurodivergence stems from ancestral misdeeds. Instead, we emphasise recognising generational blessings and the power of environment and behavior in overcoming negative patterns. With stories of healing and redemption, we delve into how faith can guide us through personal responsibility, transforming perceived curses into opportunities for spiritual and personal liberation.
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It's very exhausting it is. It is very exhausting.
Speaker 2:I used a mask very heavily for years and I couldn't do it anymore. So, where I am. I just tell people look, I have ADHD, I'm dyslexic. There are going to be days that you won't get the most out of me, but when I do it, I'll do my work really well. Yes, there are days that I might struggle and I have a manager who's very understanding.
Speaker 2:yeah, I guess, sometimes maybe I might forget a meeting, or sometimes, you know, I might be late for this, or sometimes it's easier for me to start later because it takes a while for my brain to process stuff and he understands that because the work that I produce is good. But you know I didn't always have it like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah there's so many people on that position where they don't have it like that at all. Like, as soon as you mention that you have ADHD, they're thinking all the negatives and they're thinking, oh, that means you know, um, you're quite messy. Or that means you know, uh, you can't focus properly and it's like that's not. That's not true, it's been focused quite well actually.
Speaker 2:In fact, a lot of people who have ADHD can hyper-focus Exactly. Hello and welcome to Divining Egmar, a podcast that talks about how to navigate through the complexities of the workplace as a modern day professional whilst simultaneously having a side hustle. We appreciate all of our audience members for taking some time out of their day to tune into another episode and look forward to providing you all with some value through our show today. My name is Sarah and I will be the host for this podcast. This podcast will be available on all platforms where you can find podcasts, including Spotify, amazon, apple Podcasts, and we're also on YouTube. Now, before we dive in, I have a small favour to ask. Creating this podcast takes a lot of time and energy, and every bit of support helps me keep it going and growing. If you're enjoying the show, five star rate comment on Apple Podcasts or Spotify can make a significant difference in helping new listeners discover us. Your support is invaluable in our growth journey. And if you're also watching on YouTube, hit the subscribe button and tap the bell so you never miss an episode. Want to show your appreciation more? You can even buy me a coffee through Buy Me A Coffee page. It's a simple way to support the show directly and helps cover production costs. Together we can build an incredible community for ambitious professionals like you. Thank you for your support. It means more than you know.
Speaker 2:Now let's get started. Hi, hello, hello, I'm Monique. Welcome to Divine enigma. Thank you for coming on to the podcast today. Yeah, it's been. It's been nice just to chat on whatsapp and get to know one one another very well. But we're going to explore a topic which I have explored once on my podcast. Normally the podcast is around career and business and navigating that as a neurodivergent individual, but we're going to look into the essence of faith and how faith, and being a Christian in particular, affects you as a neurodivergent individual. So before we continue on, do you mind introducing yourself? What you do? And I always like to ask my um guests this question for the audience members um, tell us one thing that not many people might know about you so, yeah, oh gosh, I've got to think about that last question, um.
Speaker 1:But hello everyone. Um, I'm Monique, or you can call me Mo, and I'm a therapist that specializes in working with children and young people. I also do work with adults and families too. Um, but yeah, that's, that's what I do. Um, I currently work for a couple of schools. I really enjoy working for the schools, um, and then I only have my, and then I have my own parent practice, um, working with 20 young people and adults as well. Um, but yeah, I love my job. I can't complain. Um. And then, oh, what's one thing that someone doesn't know about me? Um, oh, I don't know. Uh, I've recently been diagnosed with dyslexia and not many people know that yeah, yeah, ah, and not many people know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, ah, and not many people know that, yeah, I'm a fellow dyslexic.
Speaker 2:So, ah, I'm a fellow dyslexic. I've always known I've had dyslexia, but yeah, I only got diagnosed when I was an adult, officially with dyslexia. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's an interesting one, because dyslexic people are very creative people, um, and we're very big picture thinking and, yes, like I, what's always helped me is that I'm a visual, like a visual learner, and I also can I have like a photogenic memory.
Speaker 2:So, like photogenic, you can see things, because my brain sees in things, in pictures rather than in words we give me words on the page and like, yes, so good, when you go, I have to have a blue screen on everything so I can read it properly yeah yeah, it's like when people, um you know, tell me their name.
Speaker 1:I don't remember their name, but I remember their face.
Speaker 2:That's same as me. Yeah, never forget faces like faces stay in my head.
Speaker 2:So if I've met someone like I've met you before, yeah, how I've met you before yeah, and then they go back, I'm like, yeah, I said I know you, I know you, I know I know, oh, amazing, okay, uh, that's a really great introduction. So I wanted to talk about um, I wanted to talk about how our brain impacts our mind and our inner impacts our outer inner person, including on your diverse brains, and there were some scriptures that I kind of picked up because, um, I'm a bible believing Christian, so I always believe that, um, when you are um going to talk about anything to do with God or Jesus Christ, it has to be backed up with scripture. Yes, and um, I'll tell you my story about kind of navigating, like dealing with my Christian faith and being neurodiverse. Um, and, yeah, I can remember this so clearly. So I remember when I was much younger, I grew up, as I grew up, as a Christian.
Speaker 2:I actually grew up as a Catholic. So, um, my dad would make us, me and my younger brother, go to church every Sunday, um, and participate in church activities. That included things like reading in the church. I wasn't particularly great at, but I still did it anyway because my dad made me, and then my brother, being the altar boy where you have to hold the, like the, the I think it was, can't remember now but you hold the the cross for the priests before they get there, and you hold the cross for the priests before they get there, and then you hold the incense to make sure that when you, whenever you enter in the church, that whole church smells of incense, anyway. So like I knew that my brain wasn't like everyone else and I used to always pray to God and say, oh God, like I can't learn like everyone else, please could you give me a new brain. I don't like my brain. It gets my nerves.
Speaker 2:It's frustrating and I think I prayed this prayer like practically every week as a child like that was my prayer every week and I got to the age of about 16 and I just realized that I don't think God's going to answer my prayer on this one, so I got very, very angry with God and this is a very personal thing, but I got very, very angry with God and I was like fine, you know you brought me into this world with this deficit.
Speaker 2:I don't understand and I drifted away from church. I stopped going to the Catholic church. I stopped coming to church at all. I just had no interest in going to church. My dad was like you need to go back to church.
Speaker 2:I'm not, I'm not going back to church and at the time it was just me, my dad and my, my brother. My mum never needs to come to church with us, so I thought, well, mum doesn't go to church, so I'm not going to church. So I literally just moved away from the church and went into the world and I realized going into the world wasn't the best thing, because I felt very unfulfilled, felt very empty it wasn't something that made me feel good. I'll get good moments and go out with friends, but then I'll feel this there's something not right and it was a sin.
Speaker 2:And then again I was like you know what I feel like I need to seek God out again. So I did, and I don't know what made me do it and I can't remember the point it got to, but I just think I got so fed up of trying to do different things in the world, like trying to get that job, and it's not working for me. Or trying to, you know, um, be part of these groups of people, but it's not working for me.
Speaker 2:So I was like you know what, maybe this going, but it's not working for me. So I was like you know what, maybe this going into what isn't working for me, and maybe I need to return back to God. And I did, but I didn't go back to the. I initially did go back to the Catholic church, but I thought the Catholic church wasn't speaking to me and then I ended up finding a Pentecostal church and I'm a Pentecostal Christian and then getting baptized and now reading the Bible for myself.
Speaker 2:The first time I got back into actually having a connection with God there was a book called Millionaires of the Bible. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2:I read that book and it was about looking at, and it was about looking at the prophets in the Old Testament that were millionaires and I never understood this concept of, oh, people who are rich. In the Bible, I feel the Catholic Church really formed that you had to be humble and poor and be suffering. So I thought maybe this suffering was something I had to go through. But the reality is that when I read this book and then read the bible, god didn't make us up to suffer. He, he didn't say he that would have an easy life, but it's not for us to be suffering. Yeah, our hardship, and then by reading the millions of the bible.
Speaker 2:I actually read millions of the bible. Then I started reading the old testament and then started looking at the different characters. One of my favorite characters was Joseph, and then I read about Moses and I was like, oh, like, and all those characters. I felt like, oh my gosh, these characters. You know, they are so broken. There's so many things that are completely wrong with them, that but, but God is using them. And yeah, one thing that stood out to me was actually when I read about Moses. Moses was poor of speech. He couldn't speak. He said God, don't make me go and speak to people about taking the Israelites out of Egypt. I don't know how to talk. In fact, I think he had, like maybe a lisp. When I looked into, it.
Speaker 2:I'm like that could have been a neurodiverse condition. That could have been a thought of dyspraxia you know, dyslexia, that he didn't feel confident enough to speak. But then it made me think ah, if God has called you into this purpose, he will use your deficits to be great, great yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So and most of this we look at him as a great prophet today. So I was just like maybe being dyslexic or maybe being neurodeveloped. I didn't have the term neurodiversity when I was that, because I only learned about the term neurodiversity maybe five or ten years ago, where it wasn't, but I just knew that maybe just being different or it's good, god's going to use it as a strength for me. And then when I changed my perspective and started seeing things, things started to move in my life.
Speaker 1:I started getting a better job.
Speaker 2:I started seeing things like move in my life. I started being around better friends and I started going to church. That was much more of a community, and it felt good in that moment because I felt like, even though things were not perfect, I knew that I could go to the bible, go to scriptures and read and understand the. The person that God made me to be wasn't someone that was off, it was. It was the fact that I was weak, but God's my weakness. God could use his strength in me. So I just felt like, hmm. So that's how I began to realize that, um, being a dyslexic black woman with ADHD, it's not something bad. It's actually something good and it's what God is going to use for my strength. To the point now that I have a business around this. Now, yeah, um, and I talk to people about my neurodiversity. I train managers in big corporates about how to, you know, manage their staff members who have ADHD or who have neurodiverse conditions, and how you can get the most out of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and not see it as a deficit, but I wouldn't, have been able to do that if I didn't let God work in me and work in them in my weaknesses, and that actually became my strength yeah, so that's like my story around what a testimony and having neurodiverse conditions yeah yeah, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:God really does mean. You know what he yeah in the scripture and um, I think it, I think it goes. If what they have meant for harm, god means it for good. Yeah, and that's the thing with um having a brain that's different. We think that it's bad, it's harmful, but god can use our brains for the good. And look at you now you know you have a vodka, which is helping so many people understand that it's okay to be neurodivergent. Um, it's okay to be yourself, and it's not, it's not a bad thing it's certainly not a bad thing.
Speaker 2:I feel like being a neurodivergent person. Um, for a long time I felt I was cursed. I felt like, why have I got this, this, and why has God made me this way? But I do believe that God makes us this way because he wants to see the good. There was actually a scripture and I'm trying to find where it was. I was reading this. I think it was in. Let me just find it.
Speaker 2:There was a scripture I read, and it was about a man, man, a man that was born. I think he was born blind. Yeah and um. I think the disciples asked Jesus why? Why was this man born blind? Was it a curse in his family, or something? Happened to him yeah, and I believe jesus said that. No, there was no curse in his family. He didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 1:It's just that his blindness was born out of the fact that god's greatness can be seen in him. Yeah, i's um John 9, verse 1 to 12.
Speaker 2:That's it, john 9 verse, uh, 1 to 12. Yes, yeah, yes, yeah. So yeah, he was born blind. I don't remember it. And um the actual scripture goes um as um in Jesus heals a man born blind and he says yeah, as he went along, he saw a man blind from birth.
Speaker 2:His disciples asked him, rabbi, who sinned this man or his parents, that he was born blind? And then Jesus said neither this man or his parents sinned, said Jesus, but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. As long as it's it is day, we must do. Works of him. Who sent me? Night is coming when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
Speaker 2:And then, after saying this, he spat on the ground, made some mud with his saliva and put it in the man's eyes. Go, he told him, wash in the pool of silaham, which means the word means scent, I think I've pronounced it correctly. Um, so the man went and he washed. And he came home seeing his neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begged um, seeing him begging, begging us. Isn't that the same man who used to sit and beg? Some claimed that he was. Others said no, he looks like him. But he put but him. But he himself insisted I am the man. Yeah, how then? Were your eyes open, they asked. He replied. The man they called jesus made some mud, put it in my eyes and told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed and then I could see when is the man. They asked. I don't know. He said I think there's more to this, but it's interesting because I love this story, because it's almost like I believe that neurodiverse conditions are things that you're born with.
Speaker 2:And I had a conversation last night with another neurodiverse woman and there was one of the audience members the community of Divine Enigma that wrote in and she talked about her experience in the workplace and how, even though she has ADHD, she tells her manager she has ADHD. She's not believed. It's like they feel like you're not telling the truth and there's a thing in the neurodiversity spectrum which is called a spiky profile, the neurodiversity spectrum which is called a spiky profile. What that means is that, for example, you could be good at presenting and leadership, but you might not be good at organizing and doing admin tasks yeah, your brain can't do that.
Speaker 2:But then someone who's neurotypical will say well, if you're good at presenting, if you're good at you know, um, you know talking in public, surely you should be good at doing admin tasks. Yeah, but it doesn't work like that and it always makes you think of this story where obviously this guy was born blind, jesus. He still had to go to the river to to make sure that he was fully healed yeah, but even when he said I am the man that I'm now healed.
Speaker 2:People are like no, you're not him. Yeah, it's someone that looks like you. It's not you. Yeah. And I feel that sometimes that's what happens to a lot of people that are neurodiverse. It's almost like we underestimate us. You make us think that, oh, if you're neurodiverse, if you're dyslexic, you clearly can't read. Yeah, no, dyslexia is far more than reading and writing. This, is it? Or because you're adhd? You are just, you're just scattered, you're just disorganized.
Speaker 2:You cannot. There's nothing you can do, and so it's always like. The reason why people have deficits is god's glory can be seen in the person, because human understanding of how people are it's not the same of how spiritual understanding is, and that's why I particularly like this story is because people will still doubt you. They'll still tell you how is it? You can do this, but you're not able to do that. You're clearly lying about your disability. Yeah, you're clearly lying that you're not the person you say you are, and it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2:So I don't know what your thoughts are, but these stories just came up to my mind in terms of how I link my Christian belief to my neurodiverse condition.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's amazing. You know that he used this man for God's glory and said you know that? And this is what's really interesting is you know they asked Rabbi, who sinned this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? People question whether he did something wrong to become blind. That's what a lot of people go through with being neurodivergent.
Speaker 2:People think is something wrong with you. You know, did you do something in the past to cause this problem, or did you? Did your parents, you know, abandon you somewhere? You know, it's almost like that thing of generational curses, exactly like you know. You know, look, oh, if we have a family and everyone in that family is always broke, it's clearly a generational thing. So, oh, your grandma was broke, so therefore your mom is broke.
Speaker 1:And then now you are broke because you don't know how to. It's a generational thing, yeah rather than.
Speaker 2:Why don't we look at the generational blessings rather than generational curses?
Speaker 1:and I feel like a lot of the time in church.
Speaker 2:People look at curses like you're cursed for doing that, especially if you go to the black church. Um, you know a lot of them say, yeah, you've been cursed. That's why every single person in your family is a single mom like, yeah, no, let's look, let's focus on the, on the blessings that you have in your family, and maybe it's not a curse, maybe it's a decision or learned behavior.
Speaker 2:Exactly you know a lot of the time where people are a standing point. Where people are, they can stand at a point of deficit, and only when they're exposed to a different environment where the change occurs. So, for example, if I came from a family where we only had single parents for example, or a single mum or or unmarried women, for example, and no one ever gets married in their family. It's always. You know, I'm married to a woman, I'm just taking that as an example.
Speaker 2:It's not because there's a curse. I don't believe. I believe it's down to a pattern of behaviour or learnt behaviour.
Speaker 2:So, that is being perpetuated, down to the environment you grew up in. So I think it's down to the deficit. You start from what you see and what you pick up and the environment you put yourself in. And if you feel like that environment is something, that it's almost like a copy and paste thing, you see it, you do it. So it's like okay, even if you're trying to get away with it, because the environment that you're trying to get away with it, because the environment that you're in, and it doesn't make it, it doesn't make it conducive to you to want to change.
Speaker 2:So you just continue in that same notion because, exactly, it's, um, it's something you see. It's same like if you have a dad who's an alcoholic, yeah, and you see your dad drink, you'll find that that child will see the patterns of behavior that their dad was an alcoholic. Therefore, they end up becoming an alcoholic, yes, but if that child is removed from that environment or they've made that decision to remove themselves from the, the pattern of behavior of alcoholism in the family, yeah, they will end up becoming an alcoholic, right, but you have to understand that there's certain things that can bring you into that, that pattern of behavior. Now I'm kind of daring off, like no, no but it's almost like I was talking.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about generational curses. Yeah, I think a curse only occurs if you allow it to occur. And if somebody's born with dyslexia or born with ADHD or born with dyspraxia or whatever kind of neurological condition, it doesn't mean necessarily the parents have caused that exactly, or that you have sinned, or the parents, or the sin the sin has been caused of that. And if we look in the life of Jesus, there's some people who have have had illnesses through their own faults, but also people that have had illnesses that it's not their faults, yeah, and you, you've seen that jesus has healed people that have caused sin on themselves, because you know that, for example, there was a man, um, who, who couldn't walk. He was struggling to walk and jesus said get up. And he started walking and jesus said don't sin anymore, it's. Or you know, you look at the woman that was going to be stoned. Yeah, um, because she was caught in adultery, yeah, and she said here, without seeing, cast the first stone. But so people always look at that and say, oh, you shouldn't criticize. But the most important part people miss is the fact that Jesus said don't sin anymore, exactly so maybe she was living in sin, and this is why she was in that position yeah
Speaker 2:sometimes a lot of the time, there are people that are without sin and have deficits, and people that have arson, that have caused their sickness, but Jesus heals them, and it's almost like we have to always be able to decipher the difference between you know what was caused by by nature and and healing can come from it or caused by your own actions. A lot of the time when you have a neurological condition, you were born with a certain illness. It doesn't mean that your family has ill horse, horse has sinned or caused any illness to a body, but sometimes it can also mean that as well. So for example.
Speaker 2:I remember working in South Africa years ago and I was working in a village and, um, a lot of the women there were, um, heavy, heavily taking drugs, and they were. They were very vulnerable women. Yeah, a lot of them were taking drugs, a lot of them were drinking alcohol and a lot of their babies were born with alcoholic fetal syndrome, which you could actually see in the facial features of the children because their mum was drinking whilst they were pregnant. Yeah, that's that, that deficit has occurred due to parents losing that on their children. So that's what I mean. But it doesn't mean that God can't still use that person exactly to glorify his name and what he does exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we always have to look at it, that there's some thing that is caused by human error and there's something that is caused by no thought of anyone.
Speaker 1:Um, and we don't always understand.
Speaker 2:This is the thing I always find like it's one of the most challenging parts of of being a Christian is about why some people are healed and some are not, and we always have to wrestle with that, but I always know that God always has a purpose for all of us in our lives.
Speaker 1:I can't talk about this for ages.
Speaker 2:But what are your? What are your?
Speaker 1:um like, um thoughts yeah, I feel like people always try and find the answers to things. It's like they're trying to find the missing puzzle, which is why you know, in in this scripture, you know they were like bye-bye, who who's in this man? Is it his parents that he was born blind? They were trying to figure it out, like, why is this guy born blind? I don't really understand. And that's what we are as human beings we try and try and figure out what's actually going on.
Speaker 1:Why did this happen? There must be a reason as to why something happened, and sometimes there's no reason. And then other times, yes, there is a reason. But I think, you know, in those times where you know there isn't much of a reason, um, you know, then you have to kind of accept okay, this is, this is who I am, or this, you know. For those who are near diversion, it's like okay, well, this is who I am, this is how God has made me to be. And he says in his word that would be to be a wonderfully made. And so I have to accept that God doesn't make a mistake.
Speaker 2:He, he, you're fearfully and wonderfully made, and so I have to accept that God doesn't make a mistake. He, he. You're fearfully and wonderfully made. Um, he knew you before you were formed in your mother's womb. Yeah, so it's not like it's a surprise to God that you're dyslexic or ADHD or dyspraxic or have Tourette's syndrome.
Speaker 1:It's not yeah it's not.
Speaker 2:Oh, I, oh, I'm surprised you have this like it's. Yeah, it really is a big deal to God. Yeah, because he's done this and allowed it to happen, because he wants to use that deficit to show his strength in you exactly.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. But but as human beings, it's it's quite natural for us to question why something is the way it is. Yeah, always, we always want to know why. We always want to understand what we know, the answers, know the answers and sometimes answers we're always going to get them in the way that we think that we can get them, because I believe Jesus always gives us the answers. But sometimes we can't decipher the answers and even say there are times where jesus spoke in parables. Yeah, some understood those parables and some didn't. Um, and then those that will understand that they're they, they're blessed to understand the parables that he's trying to explain, but sometimes our limited knowledge as humans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're trying to be like god. Yeah, surely not understand everything that god is doing and how?
Speaker 1:you think and so it's almost like.
Speaker 2:You have to have that faith, to trust this. This is what this is how you are. Yeah, but yeah, naturally, as human beings, we will question, we will ask and we will. We won't always understand. Yeah, something is the way it is.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it's okay, and it's okay to ask questions, you know, because that's just human nature we want to know why, um, but we also have to understand that we might not get what we, what we're questioning about might get those answers, yeah, and sometimes we might get those answers, but we might again not even understand the answer.
Speaker 2:I feel like Jesus always gives us answers, but maybe not in the way that we want.
Speaker 2:I think, like I remember when I was younger and I really struggled with prayer actually, and I remember I spoke to a pastor and he said that God and Jesus Christ always answers your prayers. And I said what do you mean by he always answers my prayer? I prayed that I'll get this job, but he didn't give it to me, because I remember I was praying for a particular job and I never got it, and so, but he didn't give me the job and it's like well, god has given you the answer.
Speaker 2:There's three answers that God gives us. It's a yes, it's a no or it's a wait. Yeah, I was like what do you mean? That's, that's the answer. The job was not for you. It's like sometimes that when we're asking God for answers, he's given us the answers already. It's just that we want it to be in a specific way. But God has already said like I have this path for you, not that path. That's not the path you need to go down you need to be going down this path.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes, and one of the things I'm trying to learn how to do more is embracing the acceptance of no. And actually this is not for you because, yeah, the reason why God wants, god has said no to this opportunity or no to whatever it is I'm trying to ask for is because he doesn't want me to go down that direction. He has something that's much better for me and knows that I can handle. But sometimes, when you think, why am I getting nosed?
Speaker 1:that's the answer, you know we don't like to accept that. No, but it's. It's for our good at the end of the day. You know God knows everything. You know that's going to happen in the future and if he gives us that, it might actually damage us, and he cares for us so much that he doesn't want to damage us.
Speaker 2:So you just better say no yeah, but yeah, I used to be like how could God say no to me? Like I don't understand. But I feel like a lot of us as Christians especially when we grow up in an environment where we think that we should have prosperity and everything should happen the way we want it to happen we have to also understand that God can actually say that no, this is not what I want for you.
Speaker 1:You are my child. Yeah, and that's the thing you know. God is our father, and so fathers discipline children, and so sometimes you have to get a.
Speaker 2:No, you can't get everything you want yeah, I think obviously, if you're a parent listening to that, I'm sure that if your child said, oh, can I put my hand on the cooker whilst it's hot and burn myself? I'm sure as a parent you'd be like, no, you can't do that, you grab your child. And it's the same with us as children of God. You know there might be opportunities that we think are right for us and you'd be like, no, you can't come and you grab your child. And it's the same with us as as children of god. You know there might be opportunities that we think are right for us, but the reality they're not right for us they're not going to edify us, they're not going to make us better.
Speaker 2:And then the other thing I struggled with, and I still probably struggle to up to today, is the whole waiting for things you know, god might not say um no, but he might say right now and. I remember, particularly in my 20s where I really wanted to meet my husband.
Speaker 2:I really wanted to get married and I saw all my friends getting married, having children, and I'm like, why, why is this not happening for me? And people will say, oh, maybe you did something wrong or maybe you're not doing the right thing. And people always have their, their ideas of why I'm single. And I remember there was a small voice that God said the right person will come in the time that is right for me. They will find you. Yeah, sometimes you, in that waiting season, you it's almost like people make you feel like you're there's something wrong with you because you're single. Um, I did have my married, but I didn't get married till I was 37 years old. Yeah, it took a long time for me to be married was, yeah, some of my friends got married in the year 26. Yeah, when they were 30, they had kids. And yeah, even now I go through that waiting period of I really want to have children, but yeah, okay and I've got a scripture for that.
Speaker 1:It's one of my favorite, favorite, favorite favorite scriptures. It's ecclesiastic three, verse one, and it speaks. It speaks about there's a time for everything you know, and you just have to wait for your season. It might not be in the time that you want it to be, but you have to wait, wait and trust God that he's going to provide for you at the right season definitely definitely, and that's why I always say do you know what I say, people?
Speaker 1:don't, don't put such massive expectations on yourself. You know, to the point where, if you don't get it, you become really disappointed. Of course, it's good to have goals and visions, it's lovely to have that, but you have to understand that God knows when it's the right time for us to have things, and it's better to just trust him, rely on him to give you something at that right time. Sometimes we have something too early're not, we might not be ready for it. You know so. For example, you know how you were talking about. You know your friends, how they got married, um, and you know not, not younger um, although it would have been nice, maybe, for you to have get married then, but would you truly have been ready?
Speaker 1:and sometimes I don't know if I would have been yeah yeah yeah, yeah, and so God knows you more than you know yourself. Sometimes we think we know ourselves, but we really don't, and so we have to just wait on his time and that's the best thing to do. And when we wait and we get it, we're like, wow, I can, I can really. Sometimes we can look back on our lives and be like, oh, actually I can see why I didn't get it at that stage that I wanted it. I can see why I had to wait, because now I'm much more, for example, more mature or, um, you know, I'm able to to deal with a man you know, I think if I had got married earlier, I would have not gone with the right partner.
Speaker 2:I think that person would have been not a good person for me. They might have been a lot more abusive towards me. I reckon because I wasn't quite assertive and confident when I was in my 20s. I, when I look back, I was not very confident. Um, I didn't know how to stand up for myself, yeah, and so I would have had a partner. Probably that wouldn't have been right for me. But actually in my 30s I grew into myself as a woman. I I became a lot more confident, reassured.
Speaker 2:I was more deeper in my relationship with God than I was in my 20s far more deeper, and I feel like if I got married in my 20s, it wouldn't have lasted, yeah, um, and it wouldn't have been good for me. I feel like at that time because I was so impatient and so oh, when is this going to happen? I would feel like there was something wrong with me because you know I nobody wants to be with me or there's no one that's right for me.
Speaker 2:That's how I felt like my 20s, but in retrospective, god was probably hiding me away from the bad guys that were not really, until I actually met my husband, who is so kind, so loving, so respectful, yeah, um just so supportive, yeah, and I don't think I would have got that type of guy in my 20s so, even though I got married far later than my, my friends.
Speaker 2:Uh, I feel like a lot more blessed to be in this position and also at this age I'm making a far more money than I was in my 20s. In my 20s I was broke. I'm not gonna lie, I was very broke, um, but um, I didn't even have ambitions of you have been the business owner or anything. I was just happy to. I was having paycheck to paycheck, you know, just trying to get through each day not knowing what I was doing, um, but it's a lot more certainty of the the woman I am today compared to how I was in my 20s. Like I really look back, I'm like, yeah, I think God knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the thing he knows us, he knows us so so, so well. Um. Another scripture that comes to my mind, um, which is God knowing the number of hairs on our head. Yes, we don't even know that. I mean, if we try and count the number of hairs on our head, that would just take us. I think we just give up, we just couldn't do it. You know.
Speaker 2:So if God knows that much about us, then he is a god that knows much more than than we, than we think he knows what's right for us and what's not um yeah and it's the one thing at this stage in my life I always ask god to give me wisdom and discernment, like I feel like now I have a lot less friends, but the friends that I do have are a lot more quality friends that I can call upon and really talk to them about really deep things that mean a lot to me in my heart and disappointments, I feel, and I get much more sound advice than maybe the friends I had in my 20s comes from a place of godly wisdom and being around people that actually love god and they know that when they're giving me advice is coming from a godly place.
Speaker 2:But I can honestly say maybe 10, 10 to 15 years ago that was not the case, um, and that's why I'm grateful for the circle I have. Yeah, although not a big circle, yes, the quality of friendships I have right now in my this stage of my life, and people just understanding that I can't always be there because there's other things going on in my life, but just having an understanding that, um, they know that this is what I have to do in my life right now.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, it's quality over quantity definitely yeah, yeah, it's important to have those solid friendships because you need it. Even the bible talks about I'll talk about the bible again. Um, it talks about, you know, um, a, uh, a friend is close. Is it a friend that sticks closer than a brother and a brother? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's that's when you know you have a quality friend, that they're closer than a brother, that you can call upon them if you're really struggling or if things are just not right.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know I can call my friend. She can help me out in this difficult time, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is it, and I think that's such a beautiful thing to have. Some people don't even have family, and so to have friends that are like family, it's just great yeah, family is an interesting.
Speaker 2:Interesting thing because even Jesus, although he had his mum and dad, he didn't draw close to his family. He drew close to his disciples and saw them more as family in comparison to his own biological family. Um, and it just goes to show that, although we want to be close to our biological family, there's certain members of my family that I can't be close to because they're just too toxic and they just, they just have bad you know bad energy about them.
Speaker 2:I can't be around them, but I can pray for them from afar and wish them their best. But there's particular family members who are biologically related to me. I just can't. I can't with them. Yeah, they're just not, um, the people that I can converse with, and it is that way that your family might not always be the family you have. Yeah, um, and even understand, like you know, how your brain is and things like that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, exactly, and that's okay. And you know, if you don't have, you know, blood related family, you can create your own family with friends. You know you can have one friend that's like a mom, one friend that's like a dad, one friend is like a sister or brother. You can create your own family.
Speaker 2:I think that that's beautiful yeah, it is, and it it it does. It's a testimony to the fact that you can find this. Have discernment in finding the right people that can yeah around you to to help you grow in your faith but also grow in your career or decisions that you life, decisions that you make, such as having a family or buying your first home, or you know doing things that are, I guess, big life decisions that you could talk to people that genuinely have the best interest for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and even when you are a Christian, you know you are part of a family. God has adopted, adopted, adopted you as part of a family. You know so when you do go to church you will have brothers and sisters because it's part of the family.
Speaker 2:I wanted to talk to you about the church and neurodiversity and whether you think the church is neurodiversity friendly. I I'm gonna talk to you as a fellow Christian and this is something I'm I've been. I feel like I struggle with a lot of things in my Christian faith, but it's always I I'm in the words. Every day. I'm reading proverbs and I'm trying to ask what keeps me with this. I'm reading proverbs every day. I read the book of John, so I've been reading my Bible every day and praying every day. But one of the things I'm wrestling with and I'm struggling with as a Christian is the idea of the church and finding a church where I can feel true belonging in. I've gone to like the church I was going to. I've been going there for many years. I even got married in that church, yeah, but I feel like of reason. I just feel this disconnect and I watch church online but I feel I should be going to church, but I just feel like I can't because I feel like the church isn't accessible to me. I feel like there's no one in church I could be close to. And it made me think about. Obviously there are a lot of people that are neurodiverse, and is the church a place that is, you know, made for the neurodiverse people such as you know having if there's certain worship songs, is it too loud for people that are autistic? Or, you know, having if there's certain worship songs, is it too loud for people that autistic? Or you know where you're having adhd is, you know, can the sermons be done in a way where you can focus on it much better? And, yeah, I don't know like I feel like a lot of the times, the church tend to present it for a neurotypical lens, but not necessarily for people that are neurodiverse.
Speaker 2:And I always say this to people that if you make things easier for neurodiverse people, you make it easy for everyone. And a good example of that is that if you have a wheelchair ramp, even though it's specifically for wheelchair users, you'll find people that don't need the ramp, that they'll still use it and it will make their life easier. So, for example, temporarily you might have had a foot injury. It might be easier for you to use a ramp rather than climb under stairs. So that's, that's an example of that. If you make it good, if you make things easier for neurodiverse people, yeah, it helps everybody. But sometimes people, doesn't?
Speaker 2:people that always see that? And this is what I'm I struggle with in terms of can the church be more inclusive for people that have neurodiverse conditions and feel that they're part of the church? Um, and that's why there's a lot of division in church sometimes, because we have the black church, we have the white church, we have the, you know, and we have different types of denominations. So I just wanted your view on that, because this is something I feel like I struggle with. I still love Jesus, I still love the words of God, I still love my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, but this is something that I feel like it's. I don't know how to navigate this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's a really good question. Yeah, I think that's a really good question. I think there are some churches that are becoming more aware of neurodiversity and have learned to tailor their sermons to those who are diverse. So there's a few churches I've been to where they allowed students to have headphones, so when the environment becomes too loud, they actually provide those headphones for them so that they can look out for the sound, which I think is fantastic. Then there are some churches that, actually, while the sermon is going on, they actually draw up a picture, so it's very visual, which I think it's great. But there are other churches that haven't yet got that idea.
Speaker 1:Um, I feel like there needs to be more training on that, more training on neurodiversity. And you know, understand that everyone's different, everybody works differently, everyone behaves differently. It's like you know how there is different um love languages. Everyone loves differently. It's the same way um with having um um different ways of you know, um approaching. You know I'm trying to put up an example um different ways of apologizing, you know, I don't know if even that's a thing or different learning styles.
Speaker 1:Everyone works differently and I think it's important that churches do tailor to everyone's need. It's the same thing that I have with um universities. You know, sometimes having a lecture and just talking at people, some people can't, they can't process that way. So you need to tailor your lectures so that people can understand what's going on and and it's the reason why some people prefer to watch it online if possible, so they don't have to have this one way of dealing with things. Or, you know, they might prefer to watch it later, so they can pause it, write notes, pause it, write notes. So I think, yeah, definitely there's some churches that still need to work on making it more diverse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like the fact that obviously the online thing helps, because then if you're taking scripture, sometimes when the scripture is being spoken to you too fast, you're like, oh, it's taken me a while to kind of digest this or understand this or remember this, and maybe having like I don know, like like um bullet notes after the service that people can refer back to what was being um being discussed. So, for example, like um some what I have at work which is an adaptation for me is I have a software called otter and what otter does.
Speaker 2:It records all of my meetings.
Speaker 2:But not only that otter records my meetings it breaks down the meetings into bullet points and gives some a summary of the meetings so that I can then pick up on certain areas or action points. I need to complete um so that I can. Then I can then bring that um together for my project team and it just makes life a lot easier for me. But if I didn't have that software it would it just I struggled to pick up what a stakeholder would say no, I might have missed something.
Speaker 2:That's been said, and it just makes it a lot harder for me to kind of put it together. I can get it, but eventually, eventually, but it's just it takes a lot longer because of the way my brain takes a while to process information. So I find that as a dyslexic, I have to take a while to process the information so that, yeah, I can understand it properly for myself if you just give it to me straight away.
Speaker 2:I'm just, I'm not gonna, I'm not going to understand it straight away. I just need a bit of time to digest it properly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, and actually there are some churches that have quiet zones as well. So if it gets too noisy, you can go into a room and you can still hear what's going on in the church, but it's just a quieter atmosphere, which is really nice.
Speaker 2:Rather than you being in an environment where it's just loud.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah, just so overwhelming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, by the time you come out you're like, okay, had the praise of worship, but there was also the preaching and I don't know what else to say. And you are interested. That's the thing, because people assume that one of the things that um came up. When I was diagnosed dyslexia, they said um, and I knew it anyway. So I I daydream a lot, you know, I look like I'm in another world.
Speaker 2:But the problem is it's not that I'm daydreaming, it's the fact that I I'm processing what you're telling me, but it's just taking me a while to get the grasps of it. And you're expecting me to understand it straight away, like you, and I'm not getting it straight away. Exactly, and that was the blocker for me, because I always knew that I was. I didn't lack intelligence, I knew I was not dumb or anything. I just knew that I just took a while to process information. And once I got it, then I'll like, if you ask me to put a really amazing essay together, I'll put it together. It'll look beautifully done, written, yeah. And you'll be like, wow, this, sarah, she's got this. But the pain it took me to get them because I had to process the information. It took a while, but you get the work done so yeah, exactly, exactly, and this is it.
Speaker 1:This is why sometimes, yeah, neurodiverse prefer to be at home, you know, so they can just listen to the message, pause it for a moment and then continue, because they want to digest what's being said. And I think, yeah, there are some churches that lack that understanding.
Speaker 2:I would like to find those churches that are more neuro-inclusive. Oh yeah, I haven't found one, and it's something that both myself and my husband are looking to explore, because I do like going to church, it's not that I don't like going, but it's just that.
Speaker 1:I find that the church isn't catering for me in the same way that I want it to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I feel like there's a disconnect for me and I almost feel like, if I ask for this help, and maybe this is coming from imposter syndrome or just always being told no, or we can't do this.
Speaker 2:I'm always afraid to ask and, yes, sometimes I shouldn't be afraid to ask, because it does say in the Bible ask and it shall be given unto you, not unto you. You know, seeking you shall find. Yeah, and I need to be more confident in asking these things and saying look, is there a way that we can make the church a bit more neuro-inclusive? Can it be something that? Is there a way that the church can put shown like show notes or something? Yeah, scripture notes that you can refer back to, which remember what's been said to you, and things like that.
Speaker 1:Maybe you can start that. I'm going to start that actually, Maybe that yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe you're listening back to this podcast. If anyone's listening to my podcast on church, I'm going to ask to make the church more neuro inclusive yeah, yeah, and that's the thing you know.
Speaker 1:Then you can train people to. For those that don't understand neurodiversity, because even though it's been around for a long period of time, there are some people that don't really understand it- so a lot of people don't do you know what?
Speaker 2:there's corporates that have billions and billions of pounds and they still don't know how to manage a neurodiverse staff exactly, and a lot of the staff members there are neurodiverse but a lot of them are masking, so you don't know. Then you're a diverse yeah yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:I'm masking.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's me all day. It's very exhausted, it is. It's very exhausted. I, I used to mask very heavily for years, yeah, and I couldn't do it anymore so where I am.
Speaker 2:I just tell people that I have ADHD. They're gonna be days that you won't get the most out of me, but when I do it I'll do my work really well. Yes, the days that I might struggle and I have a manager who's very understanding, yeah, I guess. Sometimes maybe I might forget a meeting or sometimes, you know, I might be late for this, or sometimes it's easier for me to start later because it takes a while for my brain to process stuff, and he understands that because the work that I produce is good. But you know, I didn't always have it like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and so many people are in that position where they don't have it like that at all. Like, as soon as you mention that you have ADHD, they're thinking all the negatives and they're thinking, oh, that means you know, um, you're quite messy, or that means you know, uh, you can't focus properly and it's like that's not. That's not true.
Speaker 2:I can focus quite well actually in fact, a lot of people that have ADHD can hyper focus. Exactly yeah, they can hyper focus and get work done in much quicker time frames than people that are non-neurotypical. Exactly so, exactly yeah, but, yeah it, but yeah, I'm telling you, I never had it like that. I had a manager that was just not understanding of my neurodiverse condition um, and it was just.
Speaker 2:Even when you email them and tell them this is what I'm having, my emails will be ignored, issue will be ignored, or they'll just act like it's not there and I'm like I can't do this because of that. Well, you know, this is a job. You have to do it this way, wow, and you have to really advocate for yourself and say look, I have a protected disability. Yes, as an employer, you need to put reasonable adjustments that I could do my work yeah, and if you're not doing that, you're, you're, you're basically breaking the law.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you have to kind of tell these employers and that's the situation I had, you know and literally going to a union and getting support from a union rep, potentially because you're essentially being discriminated at work. Yeah, yeah that was that was a long time ago, but where I am now it's not like that anymore.
Speaker 2:But a lot of people are dealing with those kind of things and when I have people that come to me and tell me these kind of things, I really advise them and say, look, you need to. You know, ask them for the reasonable trust which is a refuge. They're breaking the law. Yeah, actually breaking the law.
Speaker 1:You know, adhd and dyslexia are neurodiverse conditions.
Speaker 2:They're protected under the equality act 2010 so if um, if, if somebody is having those types of conditions as an employer, you need to give them reasonable adjustments and you can apply for access to work to give them those adjustments, whether that is certain technology so they can read emails that you send them, or you know, a a scribing pen so that if they get documents that they can use that pen to write with, yeah and they can do that. The employer can do that.
Speaker 1:It's a law yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you're getting slapped from a manager, it's because they can't be bothered to deal with your neuro diverse condition and that's not the case, and that's this. Sometimes it's hard because all companies were championing that they care about disabilities and the equal opportunity employer.
Speaker 1:But when it comes to the crux of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes they're not like that and there are times that you do have to advocate for yourself and sometimes it can be hard documenting anything like if you've written something documenting, thank you, stamp it and I had to go through that experience years ago, um, so I tell people that if you're having that issue, do that and, if possible, now, while you're going through that process, maybe look for a different employer so they don't have to deal with those things. But I can understand that sometimes you need to, you need to work and your bills need to be paid, and sometimes it's difficult for you to come out of a job because you know I can. I understand that. That, um, that pain of having to work because you need to pay your bills, yeah, dealing with the stress of working for a very difficult employer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but as long as you kind of have like your ducks in a row and you're working towards going somewhere better and you just have faith that things will get better. Yeah, all of this is a learning experience. Now, even though I had four managers. I didn't understand my neurodiverse conditions.
Speaker 2:I have a good one now, and I know that I had to go through that at some point to teach me something, and this is why I can go to corporates and tell them this is how you should manage people that have neurodiverse conditions and this is how you get the most out of them. You're not going to get the most out of them by penalizing them or making them feel inadequate. Yeah, they already did. Whatever you thinking about them, they're probably thinking about that themselves, trust me. So you don't need to add fuel to the fire, you just need to be supportive. You know, and that's all it is, because that's one thing I've learned about neurodiverse people.
Speaker 1:So yes, and this is what's needed in churches. You know somebody who has that training to understand neurodivergent and how it can be at church, how it can be in the workplace as well, how it can be part of their daily life, because there are church members that have no understanding of that whatsoever, and so having that training in church would be fantastic so that they can be more understanding to those who are neurodivergent, not even just in church, but also in the outside world definitely, definitely it's, it's, it's.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of work we've done, we've spoken for quite a bit, so what I'm gonna say? Have you got any sort of um, I guess scriptures or final words that anyone, even if you're not Christian, but you're, oh, you are Christian can leave with um from listening to this episode?
Speaker 1:I think, giving yourself grace and knowing that it's okay not to be I know sometimes people want to be perfect, but it's okay not being perfect I think that it's nice, actually, you know, so you can actually be yourself and not feel like you have to try and and be the person that you're not there's two scriptures that come to my mind, actually is um.
Speaker 2:It's first.
Speaker 2:I can never say it's thessalonians, yes there you go, yeah, five five, 23 to 24, and it says may god himself, the of peace, sanctify you through and through and may your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful and he and he will do it. So, basically, I like that particular scripture because sometimes asian and the christian that maybe has a neurodiverse condition you don't always have peace about it. But if you home into the fact that god gives us peace and you're at peace with who god created you to be, um, then you don't need to feel blamed. You don't feel, you don't need to feel like you're there's something wrong with you or blaming yourself for something that has no bearing on what you're about. If this is who you are, have peace that God made you that way and, yes, god will keep your spirit, soul and body at peace. That's what I'll leave with the it.
Speaker 1:What about you? Yeah, I mean, yeah, grace and love. I'm actually trying to get a scripture that I like of love. I think there's loads, definitely loads. I'm just trying to find one that resonates with what I want to say. Um, I can find it. Oh, yes, there we go, found it.
Speaker 1:This is the one, um, first Corinthians 13, uh, verse 4, and it speaks about love is patient, love is kind, love does not envy or boast, it's not ignorant or rude, and I think it's really important to understand that love is patient and it's kind. So you can be patient and kind to yourself, and this goes along with what I was saying about. You know, it's okay not to be perfect. It's okay to be who you want to, to be, um, and just be kind to yourself, be kind and gracious, because I know it can be really difficult, being neurodivergent in this planet called earth, you know, and having to fight against someone else that doesn't understand. But just having that love towards yourself and that being patient with yourself, it's a beautiful thing and it's it's okay, um, to not be perfect in the place and I.
Speaker 2:I love that. So anyone that's neurodivergent be patient with yourself, it's okay you're not gonna get it right all the time exactly you've got Jesus, you've got God.
Speaker 1:That will help you, he will give you the strength you need, he'll give you.
Speaker 2:He'll give you the strength, he'll give you the wisdom, the strength, everything that, the deficits that you don't have. God is what will give you the, the vehicle to me in life, the way you need to move. You don't have to do it all yourself. Yeah, being patient and being kind exactly will resonate with you, and you can also express it to others as well.
Speaker 1:So exactly and it's like you know. If you want to, you know some examples in the bible. Um, you can look at david. David was not perfect. He made so many mistakes. He was far from perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly exactly he had a heart for god exactly and as long as you have a heart for god, god could work in you. His grace is sufficient.
Speaker 2:That's, yeah exactly, and it matters in you every morning, okay, um, yeah, thank you so much, monique, for coming on dividing your wisdom, your, your insight and your experience. Um has really helped, um, the viewers. Um, oh, we're not gonna. This. This episode is not going to be viewed, it's going to be. You're going to have to listen it on. Listen, listen to the episode on all the various platforms, including spotify, the apple, basically on every platform that you can probably listen to podcasts, I think. So, yeah, check me out that way. But yeah, um, yes, so this episode you can, um, you will listen to it. It's also on youtube as well. So, um, you can listen back to the podcast in your own time. But, yeah, thank you so much, monique, for coming on today. Thank you, yeah, I hope you have a lovely rest of the week.
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